Perhaps (note only to myself) Brooks, during his teens didn’t understand the fronline interview… did not understand the genius of the poet ginsberg. came from a place where you have to like someone to understand them. came from a fear that to understand someone you will like them, will become them. so he took the easier path to the other guy in the interview, the moderator. buckley was easier to understand. the OED holds all the meanings, unlike the frames that poets use, the dictionary contains, explains or so it seems.