masking and unmasking A gathering of those who talk much, take few photos. Big cameras on big vacations for small concepts. It is over. Is it over. What is it. You're already late to the wedding. There has been a divorce, and the bride has changed partners. The digital market cracked the sensor/file barrier 2012. Lff practitioners have changed as have the main process. Digital, if output matters, dominates this group; all groups. Output is digital, input is following. Currently it is crap scan of film. Digital has been tacked onto bellows cams since 1994. Sinar etal Is a flex-lens, view camera enough. It has t/s & shifts. If it has 35film, is it. How bout ff sensor, but less than 20meg? Is the size of print important; 4x5 contact, too small The more generic this becomes, what does it have. What did you want to do Have you done it Is this place a place of unique info When horses become horsepower, does the jockey club become the stock racer club If your medium has nothing visible to offer, does it need to remain Are you providing a place for people with nowhere else to go. Is this a chat for the lonely The big bit info is available in no less than 4 online fora. None of the two larger ones prohibit or restrict film or camera configuration: box or bellows welcome. Since the info is available elsewhere, what is wanted. Control of conversation? The 2 principal forum have changed drastically in the past 2 years. But both remain active supporters of vendors. Product releases occur along with some support from company ees. Will lff include b&s for sensor style equipment Will they go, if you don't open discussion. Who will come No. Only those who can't fit at either big dog or little boy. A haven for those unable to contribute to the existing conversations on Lula or getd or the vendor support forums Alternatives Starting a group is costless, trivial. If they need it, they will start it. Drop the forum portion; it seems to have more wobble than direction; time and needs have changed quickly. Look at the founders and influencers to see (hominum) Keep static info for those who come later. Maintain a buy sell for view camera buffs The direction seems obvious. Lff, as conceived and built has run its growth. It wasn't a perennial. It has become a hybrid. Next comes impotent stock for clippings. Large format, largely forgotten.