Woodburytype: notes

[collected. reference to collotype. & printing isn’t printmaking? ]

Woodburytype is a matrix formed of soft metal (like lead) by pressing a hardened gelatin image by high-pressure. The stannotype is made using very thin foil as the plate eliminating the need for the high pressure hydraulic machine[The Tangye Bros 18” Hydraulic Ram Press]. The woodburytype as made are tipped into publications. Three-color wasn’t achieved using the process because fine alignment was not achieved.

Intaglio is a broad term encompassing press process in which the ink sits in “carved site.” Printing is categorized by where the ink lies on the plate (matrix) not how the image is formed. Relief: ink is on raised portion; intaglio: the ink lies below the surface; planographic: the ink is on the surface of the matrix[ collotype].

a family: collotype, woodburytype, stannotype, photogravure

Key Names: Barret Oliver, and Two Palms.

Barret Oliver’s book is a history rather than a how-to. It is much about the past of the process. In 2007, his book A History of the Woodburytype was published by Carl Mautz Publishing He establishes his interest in an opening quote from William Crawford’s Keepers of Light, 1979:

“Every time a photographer solves an aesthetic problem he has to solve an underlying technical problem. One solution supports and influences the other. Granted, the photographer is infinitely more interesting than the photographic machine, and so are the things the photographer uses the machine to capture. But unless you understand the ways the machine cajoles and begrudges, you will never know how truly interesting the photographer is. You will not see the compromises he had to make in order to put his vision on paper.”

Barret: I use historic techniques, basically pre-industrial technologies. There's a point somewhere between 1885 and the turn of the century when industrially produced photographic materials become readily available, and they're manufactured in factories. They're industrially made and commercially sold. Before that, everything was made pretty much by the photographer or by small shops by hand. Those are relatively, and I use that word loosely, relatively easy to do on a small scale in a studio. The industrial stuff, like roll film, it's just impossible to do in a studio. [ link ]
This is more about his beginnings, and his reading of William Ivins. " As a photographer I have always relied on visual images as my primary means of communication ideas. But I realized I would have to start looking at the prints the way a historian would, and I would have to become versed in the language about communication of ideas, both through words and through images."

His book is interesting for his reasons of making images, as well as his interpretations of reproduction goals. As a text for production, that is yet to be written. My preference in ink&paper is the collotype. That information has been written for the updated world.

Two Palms [Craig Zammiello, etcher]
It is actually quite rare to have access to a hydraulic press that is as powerful as ours, and when our two master etchers joined the team, one of the first things they realized was the press’ potential to produce a Woodburytype. Our printers spent 10 years trying to perfect the necessary gelatin to make the lead printing plates (another failure).
We happened upon Barret Oliver during our research. He had just claimed to have successfully produced a Woodburytype print. We invited him to New York and brought him to meet Chuck Close. Over the course of a year, they made a group of fantastic Woodburytype portraits. Chuck’s Woodburytype image of Barack Obama is the first Woodburytype of an American President since Hessler & Ayer’s Woodburytype portrait of Abraham Lincoln, printed in 1881.
Two Palms...Evelyn Lasry: Our job is to help artists find new ways to make their work. We start somewhere and then try different approaches - the innovation comes out of process and necessity, rather than preconceived ideas.My husband David, who started the studio in 1994, was never officially trained as a printmaker so he has always been inclined to try things from out of left field. I think any good artist pushes boundaries, and we are lucky enough to get to help them do that.The biggest challenge in making art is keeping small failures from becoming large ones and never resting when we have success. Almost all of our great discoveries have come from some mistake, or even disaster, in the studio. If you can repeat a disaster twice, it becomes a technique.

REFERENCES

  • 1. Twyman Michael, “Printing 1770-1970 an illustrated history of its development and uses in England,” Eyre and Spotiswoode, London (1970). Google Scholar 2. Thirkell, Paul, Hoskins, Stephen, “A reassessment of past colour collotype printing achievements as a model for current digital, archival printing practice,” in IS&T SPIE PICS Digital Photography Conference, (2003). Google Scholar 3. Hoskins, Stephen, Thirkell Paul, “The relevance of 19th century continuous tone photomechanical printing techniques to digitally generated imagery IS&T,” in SPIE Electronic Imaging Conference, (2003). Google Scholar 4. Woodbury, Walter Bentley, “Woodbury’s New Printing Process,” British Journal of Photography, XII Google Scholar 5. Atkinson, A., “The creation of Digital Photographic Fine Art Print through the Woodburytype Model. 4.5.3 Alternatives to the Traditional Papers,” 76 (2005). Google Scholar
  • McCallion, P. (2014). The development of methods for the reproduction of texture in digitally printed artworks. In P. L. Harrison, E. Shemilt, & A. Watson (Eds.), Borders and Crossings: The Artist as ExplorerDuncan of Jordanstone College of Art and Design, University of Dundee
  • Close, C. Chuck Close. Two Palms Studios, New York 2012. Available from: http://www.twopalms.us/artists/ chuck-close 
  • Sultan, T. (2014) Chuck Close Prints: Process and Collaboration. 1st ed. Prestel Verlag.
  • Factum-Arte Woodburytype Prints: Redeveloping a 19th Century Print Process. Available from: http://www. 
  • factum-arte.com/pag/731/-span–span-Woodburytype–span—span–Prints—br–Redeveloping-a-19th- century-print-process Accessed 27 May 2016. 
  • WOODBURY, W.E., 01/01/1898. Stannotype. Scovill & Adams.
  • Wall, E.J. (1912) The Dictionary of Photography and Reference Book for Amateur and ProfessionalPhotographers. 9th ed. London: Hazell, Watson & Viney, Ld.
  • Tissandier, Gaston. History and Handbook of Photography. 1876. Gives a detailed account of how the process was used at the Goupil works in France, where it was known as Photoglyptie. Lon. Gaz. 23/3/1877, p. 2221.

Santamaura vs. Wiley

UPDated: Jan 2025,see bottom

nb: ask yourself: who would be the worst person to be stuck with in an elevator… [P2, i give most people 5 minutes ..]


Original was a shopping question from ic-racer (IC likely meaning internal combustion. he races models)

…. see this for deeper sidebar on DW

Q: >> fujinon CM/W 450mm f8 Looking to use it on 8x10 for 20x24" enlargements in B&W. I have the W 300mm and W 150, and in spite of the size and weight of the 300, it is my favorite 8x10 lens, The 450 is not that much heavier.
R: >> I have the 450mm f/8 CM Fujinon W, 450mm f/12.5 Fujinon C and 420mm Fujinon L. The 450 C is, in my experience, greatly overrated for 8x10 use [Sal Santamaura ]
an hour later: Oh my gosh, Ice Racer, [ sic] [then the boasting begins, accompanied with denigration of Santamaura] 
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the thread decays.

Santamaura answered based upon his equipment experience and skills; even attempting to show an image example. Wiley answered with claims of prints he has never shown.

Much of the board revolves around lenses, and shopping for them. The site philosophy isn’t intended to be a buy-sell forum, yet that is the major support structure. Buyer confidence. Examples of what to buy. What the picture will look like.

However, these things usually devolve into self sustaining justification for prior choices. After all, if they chose wrong, what else did they do in error. The tensions over time build into factual as well as conceptual errors — blindness.

  • frank beryman v wiley
  • koraks v wiley
  • randy moe v wiley
  • jnantz v wiley
  • pere casals v wiley
  • pieter[12] v wiley
  • & at least another dozen on photrio

he talks in caps. often, seemingly to himself. Without specifics. His world is often the last word, rarely the useful one.

what wiley brings == his braggadocio and conflict

they take pictures
of the same thing

only distinguishing thing is how they take them.. why equip is so important:
to distinguish value or importance. dominance by craft marking

Santamaura is fond of emoticons. Easy vocabulary. Afraid of the word, and the world of the word.


Jan 2025, upd: Drew Wiley. Wiley Photo

An anchor, so there is a single place to point you to; a focus target.

He was born in 1949 or 1950 according to his mothballed website. His birth year changed over time. Don’t know why. His main presence in photography is on the internet forums. Large Format and Photrio (nee Apug) He is an expert in opinion. He also knows many people, even drops their names even though they don’t know him. He is married to a nurse specialist in sleep apnea.

Thank you for your interest in Drew H. Wiley Photography. Your visit has been appreciated. 
For questions, comments, and to acquire Drew’s outstanding work, please call or send an e-mail to: drewwileyphoto  960 ventura st Richmond, CA 94805 Phone: +1.5102361472

He worked as an order clerk (1977- 2016) at Truitt and White, a window and door store in Berkeley. His website was up 2004-2014, renewed thru 2023&

Dye Transfer

Oct, 2004 Wiley makes his claim before the dye transfer group.

later, Sept, 2020, Mr. Wiley lets it be known that the hot-water heater he uses is: some distance from the house where the gas water heater is. For a number of reasons, I don’t want to run the hot water line over 110F.  Is that hot enough?

Authority of the craft.. make a claim that you do something difficult, at least complicated

Craft claim as the center pole of your circus act.

Bunk and debunk.

Mr. W makes many claims, drops many nameless names. This is one verification effort.

He tells the forumatti to check his website, which is no longer hosted, to learn about his show with Ansel Adams. He doesn’t supply specifics; no date, no location, no curator. Most people don’t continue the deception for decades and across several conversations.

It was sponsored by a major museum curator to coincide as soon as possible after the death of AA, … It was the largest single set of his big mural prints ever assembled up to that point, … It never traveled past this urban area because the collection was deemed too valuable for the risk per insurance mandate. I was essentially 50% of that, …ì<dw

&

A decade later my big Cibachrome prints were chosen for display beside the largest collection of his classic black-and-white murals assembled up to that time. The cumulative effect achieved by alternating our respective pictures was quite interesting. î by< dw>

I presented the above quotes to several curators: Do you have any idea where this show was? circa March 1985, SF Bay.

Have you any record of Drew Wiley? was my question.

no one knew of DW, or the show: typical responses:

“Drew Wiley is not a name I’m familiar with, and I’m sorry to say I have no information to share about the AA murals.

I was living in the Bay Area in 1985 and worked for the SF Arts Commission for ten years, but I never heard about this exhibition, nor a civic collection of AA murals.”

AND “I searched the Ansel Adams and Ansel Adams Publishing Rights Trust collections. There are a few posthumous exhibitions in 1985 but nothing I found included Drew Wiley.”

Places checked (but not found)

  • San Francisco Museum of Modern Art (SFMOMA),
  • the de Young Museum,
  • the Palace of the Legion of Honor,
  • the Asian Art Museum of San Francisco
  • San Jose Museum of Art,
  • the University of California’s Berkeley Art Museum, Bancroft library
  • Stanford University’s Cantor Art Center.
  • the Oakland Museum of California,
  • SF Chronicle & SF Examiner archives

Also claimed are close association with printmakers, yachting billionaires. Magnolia Editions (Farnsworth).

The method:

A glimmer of truth; such a glimmer as can be gleaned reading press releases, or local east-bay papers.

The lie is revealed in the same general number level: $40K dollars seems to be a large, inspiring number to use.

Although there are some glimmers of the truth in these paragraphs none of the facts or numbers are correct and no one working at Magnolia can recall the jigsaw portrait that is mentioned.