Category: the fora

all that stuff people say online

How To Be Banned From Large Format Forum

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Getting banned in just 4 easy posts…

I signed on, clicked the confirmation link supplied by the signup process, then made one post. The following day I made 3 more. In thinking about the post about cyan stain, I realized I could provide a chemical test to determine if the stain was contamination, so I returned to the sight to find that: Banned for- no reason specified; Ban lifted: Never.

 

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You have been banned for: No reason was specified

Post: the forum founder made a presentation, inviting all his followers. They posted appreciations. I asked them to consider:

did the gathering provide more than an appreciation .. anything gained for your work; understanding or direction. Did you learn something that increased, or altered your understanding of other photographers; other artists?

Post: a frequent poster asked about shooting equipment of use at a political rally. I suggested small, easy….(clearly not large format, but he said he had that answered already)

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NIKON L35AF POINT & SHOOT (Daido style)

Post: a long time, and vocal supporter of the site asked for reasons for using large format cameras.

the definition of a process by mechanical size restricts advantage (disadvantage) to mechanics. Certainly view cameras are ‘large format,’ but then some ‘flat tech’ cameras hold large sheets of film. large film is an advantage in mechanical, or hand processes since less skill is required to make changes and alterations. I don’t see any such assembly imagery on this forum — (only looked back a few years of images)

Post: a new poster was trying to print color in the darkroom, and was having problems with color balance. He indicated that the color was “all over” — common in early lab work. Having taught color to hundreds of first timers, this seemed easy.

if the color is in the border of print it is a ‘stain’ – either chemical or optical ‘fog’

post 2 (this thread) had the 80% reason for cyan stain: carryover or splashover from bleach into developer.

 I expect that someone complained. Since the ban occurred within 2 hours of my post in the “view camera” thread, coincidence taps its finger on someone following those answers finding my viewpoint objectionable.

Does it matter, being banned? Not to me, since I’ve nothing to gain by having access to the forum. The discussion remains by design limited to discussion of technical methods to sheet film imagery.

 Previously:

If you follow my prior posts (tagged: fora) you will find specifics about some of the limitations of the major fora.

Those Frequent Filers

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Online forums overflow with fishermen telling stories of their exploits — fish growing longer with every beer. And that wouldn’t be bad, except — the outlandish liar isn’t an outlier in the film forums — those places your students are apt to find since google works the way it does — follows the well worn path — the cliche.

a caution about that shared insecurity blanket:

” Unsuccessful narcissists often spend their entire lives feeling bitter and disappointed about a world that they believe has failed to recognize their ‘specialness’, their beauty or genius. “

Theory of the Question

Posted on Posted in Carp Fishing, da net, dye transfer, the fora

Ask a question. The response will depend upon who you are, who you ask, the circumstances, the form of the quesion– spoken, written….
the theory of the human, and the respondents theory of you–
what level of questioner are you? How much effort do they need to give to their answer. What will they gain.
How you answer on a first date, a job interview, an FBI interrogation, your chemistry quiz — all answers are based upon your assumption of an intent, and the reaction you need from the questioner.

“We don’t see things as they are; we see them as we are.”
– Anais Nin

Asking The Net

On the net, most answer to be included. Most answers are opinion, since most questions are based upon a vague or open ended topic. On a tech focused yahoo group I passed a question along.. since this group of 500+ listeners includes many former practitioners of dye transfer, I expected some open response. I did get response, but it fell into a very conventional cycle — answers without expanding understanding… The group consists mostly of hangers on, passive observers — the typical onlooker grouping. They will be happy with gossip. One site provides them talk that they will use on some other place.

net words

fools believe their knowledge complete.. assume that others aren’t as aware, don’t have as much knowledge as they have.
only fools have complete knowledge; or enough

Your Boundary

You bring your own boundary with you. Your limits limit your answer, often by providing a narrow interpretation of the question — frequently this is a view of the questioner.

Who Is The Qustioner

Is the question credible. With any “who’ there is power .. a relationship to an audience. The respondent must support their own self concept, somethimes by rejecting the question, since they don’t understand the qustioner, or respect them

Response Sequence

Q–ME

Ra.1 Jack Denman : what I know about it …
Rb.1 Andrew Cross : from what Frank M … ’98
Rc.1 Ctein : personally I think that’s a pretty silly hypothesis.
— he counters each of the prior posters questions and each answer.
This asserts his primacy of place, his experience as alpha. And completely misunderstands the question, the recent history, and of any understanding I may have. Aside: no one noticed that I had taught a recent class, perhaps, the only class in this decade, maybe this century about dye transfer.
Ra.2 Jack Denman : don’t want to quibble, (answered later parts of Ctein)
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about: Ra — no experience. retired tech user. not a user of DT
Rb. — workshop trained. engineer, teacher. user of DT
Rc. — self taught. educated non-practicing physicist. writer. individual proprietor of photo services. widely known, yet unable to excel or grow a lab business