photolab: Ds

Old books offer first knowledge.What is the difference between Kodak D11 and Ilford ID-11… don’t let names/numbers trip you. Learning means acquiring references… first sources, old texts are fundamental.
the language of those authors may not be your current language .. the language of this age.. phrasing changes. Learn to play. It isn’t hard.

The D’s offer an arc of contrast .. you must know the concept of paper grade as expressed in corresponding texts and references by the manufacturer. In this case Kodak. Kodak, Agfa, Ilford are quite specific about what a grade is. Just because you don’t know, perhaps you don’t understand, perhaps you haven’t researched it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.. manufacturers and their customers were/are different. That number two is not a universal amongst all 15 1950s manufacturers. The survivors have maintained their definitions and AIM points.

What was once known remains known. What you learned then, you can use now. Even with deeper definition of ISO.


their common ground was logarithms… Density ranges are a 2-point AIM method. Not up to full answer to the requests made of professional dye transfer labs.

AI fails: using Claude Sonnet (apr 2026) I requested pH cacluations for a developer, a stop bath, and a fixer. It failed to calculate any of them correctly. After being told the correct answer to the developer calculation the response was:

Estimated pH: 11.5 – 12.0

Most likely ≈ 11.8

Reconciling the pH Discrepancy

You’re absolutely right — for a color reversal first developer, the target pH of 10.1–10.3 makes perfect sense. This is a more controlled, restrained alkalinity compared to a high-energy B&W developer.

Where My Estimate Went Wrong

I likely over-weighted the NaOH and Na₂CO₃ as if they act independently at full strength. In reality:

Buffering interactions reduce the effective pH:

Lesson Noted

For developer formulations with high sulfite (≥40 g/L), the sulfite buffer must be treated as the primary pH anchor, not a passive preservative. My initial approach overestimated the free alkalinity. Thank you for the correction — this is a valuable calibration point.

Context Check ✓

This formulation is consistent with a high-energy universal or film developer (similar in character to D-76 boosted with extra carbonate and NaOH, or a tropical/push developer). Typical working pH for carbonate-NaOH developers is 11.5–12.2 — this estimate fits perfectly.

⚠️ At pH ~11.8, handle with care — use gloves and eye protection. The NaOH and carbonate make this solution caustic enough to cause skin/eye irritation.

Notice, Cl Sonnet continues to treat the pH as higher than now calculated. It mixes high-activity, low-activity without consistency.

Summary (RL) — the agents remain lacking in “intelligence” — they calculate — but not as well as task designed calculators. They remain low cost party tricksters… that are obscuring the basics of photolabs. In this, they join the bulletin board outcrops of the hobby pool. Beware!

scraps :: techday may 2

snippets from other posted notes. Techdays are fewer, since not much is newer in this my interest-age.

one way of checking your understanding of the past. dye transfer vs type c (aka, RA-4)

in some other post, I have more detailed costing. This was done at a lunch table a year ago; recently accessed while clearing a box of notes.

No idea why I kept it. Had no other info… no phone, nothin…

putting this together so you have something to start with. Spending time finding good sources is worhwhile at initial stages.

old world prices… when they started

from two years ago Ilford’s request for interest in a new sheet film

Fuji Maxima or Fuji *x

The differences are market purpose, plant of production, patent.

Skill doesn’t answer to the 20 prints a year beggar

Date: December 6, 2018 Durst Lambda exp values  AND — 2011, Ciba display

Material Red Green Blue
FUJIFLEX Crystal Archive Printing Material 51, 50, 47
FUJICOLOR Crystal Archive Professional Maxima 51, 51, 49
Exposure of Ciba [CT.F7 ] using same exposing system: 38, 46, 46

USA fuji retailers follow simple rules ..fuji’s number is assigned making it easy to comparison shop, even for the thick fingered shopper.

the larger distributors lead the buyer into the catalog using type, meaning surface.

in the days of yore, when the market for photographic materials had more than five conglomerate suppliers, Pearl, Satin, Silk were names with bearing for the wedding-portrait industry. They mimicked the cloth of the wedding. Making a duplicate from them involved knowing the trick of “water” copying.

Also supplied were papers made for murals, or charcoal character prints– of course, for hand painting, Canvas.

Only inkjet papers come close to what was once expected of the manufacturers.

on the matter of knowing more than anyone else: maybe you’ve stopped learning .. proving yourself superior to the vendors is what sort of refuge .

Kodak,1942… sample book providing the casual user guidance on paper choice. Marketing has always played a role in commerce land.

it’s wrong/right because {h} says so. it becomes too easy to doubt the bloviator at the end of the sales-counter. they hold opinions that seem made of sand. unstable without direct references … all hand waving declarations centered upon their expertise. if they make enough claims occasionally they’re right .

Maxima, when introduced, was a direct sales item… Fuji USA sold it directly, assuming it was a specialist item that premier labs (5 in US) would sell as a premium exhibition product. After COVID that changed. Many (3) of those 5 switched to offering inkjet solutions. One San Francisco lab had sold their much revered Poly after moving. Exhibition printing demanded larger more flexible surfacing not available with silver-halide paper.

Now, in 2026, it seems B&H, the home to the weekender sells Maxima.

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