2001: Dye Transfer has become a lost process. Something talked about, mostly by those who never made one.
>> Apr 19, 2001 –Anyone out there interested in a Durst 8×10 with all the extra’s for Dye Transfer? Carriers, Condit stuff, vacuum easel, 403 color head and more. >> Jan 16, 2002 All my stuff has been sitting … anyone want anything? Rollers, granite tables, trays ??? 2 rolls 10 feet by 40 inch Kodak F paper. about 100 sheets Surface F 20×24 about 18 gallons Cyan, Magenta, Yellow dyes. All for free, just make it easy for me to ship. I’d like to able to drop at Mail Boxes Etc. and have you pay for shipping.
Then, there are those that make the dime they need. Selling to cover their mistakes, missteps. Greed is never a gift.
>> ctein “comment about giving “the custom in the dye transfer…
away… then, he sells… and, at last, he must give away. A needy greedy cycle. From the Herdy Gerdy Man
advice he didn’t take until many years after he couldn’t sell it.
advice, like old equipment, isn’t worth as much as the seller thinks
I keep pretty good track of who is doing DT, because I still get inquiries.
[ctein ] 2023…
[2023] From the large membership group, some collected remarks concerning volume of work, as well as film+developers in use for mask & separations.
[J1] 10-15 for clients. Delta 100.
[A2] 8 to 10, for myself. using expired Pan Masking. LPD4 in D-8, and Kodalith A&B. DK-50 1:3 3min at 78F rotary processor.
[R3] T-Max 100 & HC-110.
Meanwhile, back in the fifties: ads for labs, and a new film, a new style of emulsion. All these are gone; Kodak won, for awhile. And along came Fuji, who seemed, for awhile, to be the winner. An along came the worldwide HealtQuake. Fuji has moved to that great big ocean. Kodak coats 35mm for the masses, returning to their origin story. We push film; you push buttons.
Dye Transfer Materials price list.
A group can’t live if it can’t get passed its origins. That is why OIC began. They are the largest group engaged in making DT/IP prints.
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\\ updated post on dye transfer paper[apr 2024] summary: don’t buy paper unless you have all other items, even chems. If you must make conditioner, why not also make mordant, which means you can use fixed out BW paper from Foma, Ilford, or … old eBay.
the only way to print is with a stopover to the screen. digital is the “new” analog. (it has been since the time of Scitex; the time when removing blemishes was called: Scitexing). One constant over time is that those people less capable of retouching, deride it in all its forms: brush, pencil, or mouse.
Scanning brought knowledge and doubt. Some have knowledge, some know-how, many more have doubt. The transition to ready scanning methods took more than 60 years to make. Scanners are part of the age of transition from chemical to computer; machine space to math scape.
Is there magic in the sauce? Maybe knowledge is held by some, being shared in the darknet (of books, journals, patents and conference lectures)
Glossary
Raised by my reading (about) Richard Benson, reminder of many other printer/printmakers, some having influence, such as Dan Margulis, some not. Dan Margulis was an early Photoshop advocate and user of LAB.
Gamut. the range of colors that can be produced by a process.
GCR gray component replacement, using black to some extent rather than cyan, magenta, and yellow in combination
Metamerism. visual phenomenon that two colors may appear to be the same under certain lighting conditions but different under others; two colors exhibiting this are called a metameric pair.
UCA undercolor addition. adding cyan, magenta, and yellow to areas that are predominantly black, to a achieve richer, darker color
UCR GCR that is confined to shadow areas
YCC Kodak’s proprietary colorspace much like LAB.
In the begin– [T, skoffs: I’m highly skeptical about what ‘people’ say on forums about scanning software mimicking RA4. The reason for this is that I’ve never come across any hints that these people had any inside information on the color algorithms and for the most part seemed to make an educated guess, only. Sometimes, that is good enough, but especially in this case, I don’t think it helps any.
— \\in fairness, krk is responding. as naysay to:One comment, by a couple of users on the facebook Coolscan community – really caught my attention: these people mentioned that the tool was engineered to produce a result that closely matches the colour response of C41 film onto RA4 paper – as most film for the pa..
Certainly, it may seem to those not a member of the change-over, the time of Scitex and others, that no one could have inside information about the algorithms, ie, the science being used by Kodak, Fuji etc. Luckily, color science is a widely published field — both the densitometric and the colorimetric theory is available in text and articles distributed at conferences. Nikon scanners as well as Hasselblad ones implemented modes introduced by firms such as Scitex along with Kodak and Fuji.
Sensitometric Curve sources: profiles from PhotoCD[Kodak]
[April 2, 2021: VueScan first started supporting different film types about 20 years. We originally got film profiles from the PhotoCD database. These film profiles contain ‘sensitometric curves’ for different film types, and they don’t vary much in film types in use in the past 15 years or so.]
Negafix claims similar source for their film-types.
[from the Kodak designers, “… each photographic negative is designed to be optically printed onto one or more specific print films or papers, using specific printer light sources. That fact provides the key to making meaningful measurments of color negative images.” — Giorgianni and Madden.
What do I do?: I use Nikonscan with a Nikon Scanner. I scan to a NEF format file. My use of Vuescan is for making PDFs with an Epson scanner. Hasselblad has a native camera file format which I request when someone scans with a Flex*.
“[157] since negatives are not meant to be viewed directly, it would not seem logical to also measure them using methods based on the response of a human observer” [meaning standard colorimetric measurements] [160] The neutral and color characteristics of color negative films are designed in terms of computed printing densities; therefore, printing desnities are the most meaningful desntiy measurements tat can be made from color negative films.
Nikon film scanners were manufactured from 1988 to 2004. Nikon Scan is Nikon’s own proprietary software for film scanners but it only supported computer operating systems up until scanner development stopped.
most recent to oldest >–>
Super COOLSCAN LS-9000 ED
Super COOLSCAN LS-8000 ED
Super COOLSCAN LS-5000 ED
Super COOLSCAN LS-4000 ED
COOLSCAN V LS-50 ED
COOLSCAN IV LS-40 ED
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Super COOLSCAN LS-2000
COOLSCAN III LS-30
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COOLSCAN II LS-20
Super COOLSCAN LS-1000
LS-4500
SCANTOUCH AX210
SCANTOUCH AX110
” Nikon Scan 3 and the Coolscan IV provide a choice of a wide range of color spaces, and screen gamma settings of 1.8 and 2.2 (the default gammas for Windows and Macintosh monitors, respectively). With the color management option enabled, Nikon Scan also supports the full ICC-standard workflow: The software chooses an input profile based on the scanner model it detects, uses the one of the offered color spaces as the “edit” profile, and allows you to specify a monitor profile for accurate screen display. (You’d develop your own monitor profile using any of a number of available profiling applications.) The chart below (courtesy Nikon USA Inc) shows the colorimetric parameters for the standard edit color spaces offered.”
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