Category: the fora

all that stuff people say online

Saving Photography

Posted on Posted in overnight notes, the fora

Their first impulse is to denounce as not possible, not worth doing. by killing the young, they Stop them from taking their place. They lost their way so long ago, they don’t know where the path is.

They are stagnate. Small ponds do that.

/– / NEW ENLARGER — ART OF FOTO.. LFF. Heiland. https://heilandelectronic.de/enlarger

Sep, 2016.. A new 20×24 enlarger project announced — 2 years later it was delivered even though the forum experts offered this:

–“Without a glass carrier ? How do you expect to achieve any focus accuracy worthy of negatives this big in the first place? Same goes for wide-angle enlarging lenses. Other than the LED light source itself, why try to re-invent the wheel? Big horizontal process cameras could easily be retrofitted for this kind of application.

I once threw out something like that, superbly made, just to cannibalize the suite of Apo Nikkor lenses.” AND “Anything autofocus reminds me of power windows on cars …. sooner or later you’ll wish there was still a traditional hand-crank. And metal changes dimensionally, so fine tuning the focus would be essential, which they have allegedly provided.”

[ you can’t because I couldn’t. — if you can, then I won’t be as important to my imaginary friends as I want to be]

/–/ intrepid, camera [2014 ,LFF 11-Aug-2014, 13:59 ], enlarger]] https://intrepidcamera.co.uk

On one forum accepting to roll film the announcement is greeted with:

Counting the travelwide, ferrania, new55, P6 petzval, CL81, plus a few Lomography lenses and probably a lot that I don’t know about, that’s a lot of combined love for Film around the place, makes me all warm and fuzzy…

However, for those Large Format Folks came offers of help:

“the body seems rather deep.

My thoughts also. I don’t see any reason why the back part can’t be half as deep as it is.

Look at current designs, old designs, prototype over and over. It really does seem more like an early prototype than an actually useful camera. Goodluck nonetheless.

AND the best after months of comments:

“I do hope all the nay saying is not putting you off. Most of the blather about movements is posturing anyway. Not many folk use them even when they have an abundance of them. Your pricing is attractive. The camera looks good enough to use. You might want to work on the knobs a bit to make them look less crude. Apart from that, if it is quick to set up in the field and doesn’t weigh a lot it will be a fine outdoors camera. Make sure the materials can withstand the rain…”

/–/ cinestill  2013 first chatter on photrio ]] https://cinestillfilm.com

  • “All they’re doing is removing the remjet. I can do that myself.
  • Too expensive. Where can you process it
  • The colors won’t last. Hues will be wrong. Maybe okay for the ‘lomo’ crowd.

Of course cinestill is going strong — now providing 120 film, with 4×5 color negative expected to be coated in November. They are delivering enough product that Kodak 38 is surviving.

All of these companies are making product, even though the major forumatti of film didn’t think the products worth their interest. Probably partially explains why they, even with their years of ability, couldn’t develop the products they love to discount.

they start with a NO because they’re certain they KNOW more than you.

If at first they don’t succeed… they don’t want you to either. They don’t want to do it, and don’t like those who do, even tho too cowardly to say those words. instead, they say: but you can play [like permission to children]. or, ‘to each his own. no accounting for tastes [bad tastes]’ —

They never had a vision of the future so now they must cling to a fantasy past.

knowledge from the phone-booth

Posted on Posted in Carp Fishing, minimum daily requirement, the fora

stuff you hear, again and again — stuff that just makes sense. Usually about something you don’t fully understand; usually said by someone seemingly making it all clear. Like butter, clarified, purified, ever so easy to swallow.

grain size is color: AgX — true wisdom. At least, often heard. Does this explain the lith-print color? Does developing BW (silver gelatin) paper shorter or longer make the silver image tone (color) different? If it does, why did, do, the manufacturers have so many different emulsions? Why hasn’t any of them just sold: Vario Tone, the variable color easy tone printing paper? Seems they missed the market on this one, big time.

All those PhDs, MBAs — just shanked it, wide and short. Didn’t they oh genius forumatti

They could have made one paper, one developer with a direction sheet of time & colortone wanted. Too bad for them they never figured that one out… maybe they know something the forumatti don’t.

All this about lith-prints. Different developer makeup affects AgX prints some — lith developer and methods emphasize these differences. A simple simon explanation seems more correct than none, so it sparks acceptance — no one will review it — none of the forumatti explore any feature well or fully. They repeat, they don’t discover. They play in a phone-booth.

“The optical properties of silver nanoparticles change when particles aggregate and the conduction electrons near each particle surface become delocalized and are shared amongst neighbouring particles.”

“As to small particles, it’s basically the black-body principle. No material is perfectly reflective, so the more reflections a light ray undergoes, the more attenuation occurs. A pile of tiny particles essentially acts as a “light trap.” ” — an internetter

“The color tone of black and white developed images not only depends on the photographic materials used but also on the grain size, grain thickness, grain structure, grain surface and reflecting power of the developed silver.” — patent, emulsion maker

Credible References:

Research Disclosure Item 29963, March 1989; Photographic Science & Engineering, Vol 7, No. 2 “Observation on fine structure of developed silver in the presence of added tone modifiers”; C.E.K. Mees, The Theory of the Photographic Process, 1st Edition, p. 568, The Macmillan Co.,New York; and A. Rott & E. Weide, Photographic silver halide diffusion processes, pp 61-65, 1972.

AND

The tight packing of chemically developed filamentary silver ensures the spectral neutrality of this type of silver image and the black color thus appears to be due to multiple scattering and absorption of tight. James and Vanselow, in Photographic Science & Engineering, Vol. 1 No. 3, January 1958, “The Influence of the Development Mechanism on the Color and Morphology of Developed Silver” showed that the greater the extent of physical development, the less black was the silver image, the color usually passing to a brownish hue.

How much can, does this change? You can make warmtone paper warmer, and coldtone colder. You will not get a warmtone look from a coldtone paper by developing longer, shorter, hotter, colder, standing up, or sitting down. Change paper.

But what about the lith effect? We will never get the original lith print — that paper and developer are long gone — back when lithographers stopped needing it.

I miss the Itek Print — never expect it to return.

We can cause many current BW papers to “coarsen,” “pepper,” “shift colors,” with lith-style developers. Much of the color tones are a result of “residual” effects — what the chemists say about exhaustion products. For added color effects, just add silver solvents — small amounts. See what swirls up in the fix.

The major factor of making lith-prints is choice of Paper, then choice of Developer, not how long the paper is in the developer.