Formulations change even without a branding change. This is done for reasons their maker knows. We can guess. If the item is intended, or is expected to serve the same utility, why introduce a New Name?
Super-XX and Kodak Pan Matrix film become one example
Super -XX
1938 – 1955
was the founding emulsion in speed and sensitization for Pan Matrix Film.
Super -XX
after 1955 became the film used for seps.
1953 Kodak had moved to Safety Base
Pan Matrix 5511
1949
dye washed out. see Defender process notes
Pan Matrix 5149
1957
black didn’t wash out
Pan Matrix 4149
(63 ->) the Matrix film most knew
blackjet
Pan Matrix
open questions
The past can be used to provide answers for those open to reading.
TMAX, Super-XX, and Separation Negative 1 &2 were sold during dye transfer’s ending days. tmax was not the replacement film… it just became so after Super-XX was dropped. After separation negative film (I and II) was dropped, TMax was the Kodak film that many experimented with. The Versamat also fell to the change in commercial photography world. The change had begun in the 70s, accelerating in the 80s. Retouching was the key to the kingdom. With dye transfer’s passing, several lab films were not longer needed. They were replaced by the scanner. this date (1985), the process was ending. These are list prices. Labs got discounts over 40%. Our discount may have been a secret kept from other labs. Nothing much else could be. Certainly nothing about the process. We hired from the same schools. Hired from each other. Some printers worked different shifts at different labs. I, for one, travelled among labs across country working on projects.
TMAX as the savior
One Film to rule the world.. often repeated — the repeat began with one person. Seemed reasonable. No one disputed it. Some out of ignorance, some, likely, out of politeness. In one case out of knowing better than to spend time making repeated corrections.
TMAX and Pan Masking film co-existed… TMAX was not the suggested fillm for masking.
Optical Printing… isn’t enlarger printing. At least it wasn’t. Notice the guidance for exposing duplication film. Use an optical printer, an enlarger, or a camera.
the great OPTICAL print.. sitting alongside the Enlarger and Camera.
Calling a photograph an OPTICAL seems like a call for help. A big word for something very common.
The optical printer has short enclosed separation between original and duplicate — or, negative and positive (print). An enlarger was also called ‘projection’ or ‘arial’ printing.
Optical is a code word of those who oppose this century’s vocabulary for inkjet printing.
.. and the great misdirections.. Where do I buy _X__ is one frequent question on photo forums. Forums are built around buy/sell, how/tell. since you don’t correct him, it means you don’t know.
NB: realize Maxima was never intended for the retail, general darkroom user of RA materials, so was handled diectly by Fuji USA diect to the user. It also was serviced by distributors to those with resale association agreements; typical of professional labs. There was an person on LFPF cutting Maxima for anyone interested. She also offered a complete dye transfer lab, including starting supplies at no cost — no takers after a year. Showing how strong the market was among these longtime hobbyists.
[**/Wiley/ Mr. Bill /mshchem /— ** ]
forums come together to express opinions; additionally, posters attempt to out talk each other, like perennial freshmen.
mr. bill, another back officer, explains why it is difficult[thinking that manufacturers don't sell direct]. They do.
Drew Wiley hasn't achieved success, even with his consummate back office communication skills. after all, he talked with some of the wealthiest salesmen in the world. he even worked at a Pella store selling door knobs to billionaires.
— the answer is in there … just lost in Wiley telling everyone his story. Koraks, a mod, never picks a review point , yet continues to make his repeat point. To get a group past freshman status requires someone to direct the group. In open-classrooms such as medicine, and law, this is achieved by use of extreme interrogation by seasoned upper class-men. These schools aren’t hobby shops. Getting the conversation moving… keeping the plate juggled, means getting the conversation to more points, or away from points making it all pointless. since you don’t correct him, it means you don’t know.
[ the answer for USA: maxima is sold direct. it can also be walked thru for some mini-lab sellers. Minimum order is one roll.
it is up to that seller to decide if you can become a customer of theirs.
these are not the B&H, Freestyle stores. Unique can get Maxima. You can also buy directly from Fujifilm USA. Just make polite, reasoned access. Simple to do.
The direct answer, a name and phone number, was provided by Jen, on Large Format Forum. She posted it overnight after Gregory Davis posted a contact name at Pakor, the equipment supplier known to photography labs since 1984. Gregory Davis had a fight with D.Wiley over color retouching. Mr. Davis, has removed his posts from LFF (and Photrio). So it goes... You keep a Wiley, you lose the Gregory's and Jen's.
https://bmcmededuc.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12909-016-0730-1/figures/1 ‘Students and tutors identified a range of behaviours that influenced collaborative learning. The main themes that emerged included: respectfulness; dominance, strong opinions and openness; constructiveness of feedback; active listening and contribution; goal orientation; acceptance of roles and responsibilities; engagement and enthusiasm; preparedness; self- awareness and positive personal attributes. An important finding was that some of these student behaviours were found to have a differential impact on group interaction compared with collaborative learning. This information could be used to promote higher quality learning in small groups.’
[ they have fresh, broadening explanations that they lose within a fortnight]
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fuji maxima … just a phone call and an email
Maxima Labs… this list is shrinking as those using Polies close their RA4 polies out. Polies had the highest dpi, using the newest engineering.The 50×100 inch Polielettronica LaserLab HD C-Printer, excels with a 610 dpi resolution (6100 dpi “apparent” resolution) and 48-bit color.
[ Measurements always go in the same order. The first number is always the length, the second one is the width, and the third one is the height…. \note to: the long winded forumat iley ]
a brownish or amber series of filters to reduce ‘effective’ color temperature. Gevaert CTO, various R ranges, and Wratten 81.
bluish Wratten 82, Gevaert CTB, and B filters increase color temperature.
These plots are of absorption, not transmission.
--- riddle me this
if you want to change color of shadows (landscape photo) using a filter on the lens, does it also affect the brighter sunlit portions?
understand why CT filters are correcting a scene. architecture photographers had to understand this for most work done after 1970. we had rolls of neutral density material in addition to tungsten, or daylight correctors -- this, along with multiple emulsions designed for different tungstens lights meant we achieved long scale balance. Also, labs could push or pull because of modified chemistries. That is all gone. Well, not gone, it has migrated. Evolved. It has followed the natural path of all industry.
-- another riddler
long straight line film wasn't the best design of contrast masking film. standard camera films were used to make masks when sharp division of subjects could produce 'halo' against a clear background on the 'chrome. separation neg Type I was favored by labs in NYC.
-- the curves are meant to sum to a desired line. the original isn't linear, and often its layers aren't parallel. Masks "move" lines by adding density.
experience with actual, true, real, pro-level [I’m snarking] images teaches the answers. anyone who believes Wiley isn't believable... they don't have depth.
--- third riddleabout points of control.
2 point control is what much of the photolab is about. exposure sets shadow, development sets highlight.
to make a color *interneg without adjusting the development means you have single point control. exposure, with a standard high being maintained by your c-41 lab. this means you are making multiple rounders to get masking/color correct. okay, lets say that is locked.
we have to mask the 'chrome to bring it to too high an initial [c-41 standard] point. this likely means we need to make a post mask as well.
the internegative is an intermediate, a conversion step between 'chrome and paper.[ E-6 to RA-4]
complex... has anyone said that's what they do [in photrio/lff land][N]
*The color negative film is balanced to daylight; my enlarger lights are tungsten balanced. I use a tungsten to daylight conversion filter. I also may make masks. I always used modified C-41 processing.
...continuing with the riddle of control points:
3 point aim was the height of the better labs. a very few, ~3[?] achieved 5 point control for clients. those cases involved making split-masks and colored masks -- this meant dyeing the silver mask.
in this digital age, simplified skillsets involve matching 16 aim points, while achieving control of 1024 is a practical matter for commercial printers. film makers go even greater lengths to satisfy an image aware consumer.
-- subpoint: Keyed Process. Emulsion makers design for full step process. The color negative is designed for a color positive. Kodak Portra films were designed for printing onto Kodak Professional Portra and Supra Papers.
The Top Knot is: you lose the people with direct answers and experience, keeping those who don’t know, but keep the arguments alive. Perhaps that is the path to commercial success. Perhaps take a look at the payment status of the deflectors.
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