Expert Agitation Advice

kinetics. induction period. specific agent, ex: phenidone [mees, 1969]. Chemical processing is a mechanical process. Rates and timing of agitation, of exchanging chemistry across the image will alter the shape of the characteristic curve. [I have curves showing the effects; pondering their posting]

Agitation is one of the two commonly misplaced skills of developing. The other is water– purity and bubbles.

Many of the early errors are errors of judgement, then of mechanics. You are using too little chemistry, relying upon equipment designed to save chemistry as it provides ready salvation of all your space limitations. This makes the task of getting the film fully saturated with chemistry and chemistry only more difficult. Success is requires the film is evenly wet and equally swollen evenly and quickly. Immersion of the film into the chems, coupled with agitation during this stage will solve the first dozen errors of processing your film.

I learned by adage; this one was from processing in dye transfer labs: “Mix for four, use three” — meaning mix enough chems to process 4 sheets of film, but only put 3 sheets through the chems.

i can’t convince you that what you do doesn’t work, although most descriptions of action seem to hold to an error, so your modification is a correction of your error — at times, these errors are because of the equipment , not your usage, more often the mistake is a result of agitation of the processing chemistry.

What does wetting the emulsion before developing do, achieve? Is it essential or chicken bones in the campfire. I have pre-soaked as an experiment. I don’t presoak for my work, nor for any commercial client. I don’t use water with “bubbles” in it; let it stand before adding other chemicals, even when diluting stock chemicals.

I modify the tanks used in souping rollfilm by sticking silicon bumpers to the inside bottom of the tank;this modification provides space for chemicals to flow across the bottom of the reel.

Chemistry must surround the emulsion for even processing. The critical image former is developer — the latent image must be amplified by chemical means.

Laminar flow was implemented in a small scale way for the home color print market by Agnecolor [*]

[spiral ribs wash more of surface without ‘tracks’ of trapped chems. — print drums]

How long does an emulsion have to be wet before achieving maximum swell? The emulsion isn’t fully expanded until washing. Notice that it shrinks in fixer. Water keeps the emulsion swollen. The following illustration tracks this over time and at three different temperatures. It was conducted as part of research on emulsion hardening and need for supplementary harderners. Some emulsionists devised wetting agents and antifoam additions to film to address the problems of widely different water conditions their product would encounter in the wild.

Pre-soak. Pre-wet. Ilford or Kodak. Tray, tank, burst, reels. Air bells. Pinholes. Uneven development. Pyro in the sky with Jobos.

Dye Transfer as learning lab

Masks, separations, matrix film: ortho, or pan each has such difference that an experiment, once run, wasn’t run more often. Making masks, in various forms, on variety of film types, would seem to be a great circumstance to realize any gains in pre-soak. Short development time, required evenness of tone-sets, avoiding any processor defect, all these seem prompt for initial wetting. I didn’t know about it when I started, and in none of the labs where I first worked was it used. Of course, none of these places used Jobos, or other “can and roll” processing modes.

One client funded researching pre-soaking matrix film. They wanted to process mats in daylight drums purposed from color RC processing. They hoped to be able to load pan-matrix film in exposure cube, then process in a larger wetroom. We achieved some success, enough that the client was happy to hire me again. The method required presoaking the Pan Matrix film in an antifog / restrainer solution. Loading the drum with “knurled rubber fingers” — time in this mix was 4 minutes, followed by a rinse in distilled water, finally the matrix developer for much lengthened processing time.

I never used the procedure in my work, nor did I teach it to any other lab.

Does an expert have expertise in all things? Clearly not. Does an expert in the field have expertise across the entirety of use? Only if they phrase their answer specifically to a question rather than the entire topic possible. So, does” pre-soaking harm BW emulsions” is different than “is pre-saoking necessary to maximize results” — In my experience evolution from a self-informed dye transfer maker in 1960 to now, 2024, I have gained enough observation to know that agitation systems have more effect than almost any other part of what the user of emulsions does. Agitation is amplification; it is limited, and so must be altered to mate material and mechanism — a Jobo has limitations. As does a tray, a shallow tank, or burst system. I have never used a Jobo, although a Merz featured prominently in two different labs I managed.

Tray AGITATION. plating shuffle. wet hand, dry hand. having a start sheet-code with many. depth of liquid — more is better.

PRE-SOAK– solves wetting because too little chem, and-or too little agitation at developer induction — the physical part of film getting wet. water is the ‘universal solvent’ in photography — color emulsions have development modifiers within their layers; these activate, diluted, they don’t act as designed as part of ’emulsion + developer’ system.

if tray processing film sticks, you aren’t using enough time (10 or 15 second) steps between sheets in the stack. most people use too shallow a chem for the stack, also, they put them into the dev too rapid a sequence. 

i usually used a scavenger sheet of film on the bottom of the tray.

Additional on processing drum systems:

Read these patents, then estimate the contribution made by Jobo.

1960, Siegel, the tank method of processing
Merz Film Processor, 1972
Merz processor, transport improvement, 1976
Merz Processor, 1977

Weekend Update: 8.’24

Yesterday, I made remarks about masking ; the early years of making masks, noting the aid that was given me

Dye transfer was easy, much easier than anyone talking about it now would make it seem. Why they make it a bigger deal than it was is probably in an effort to compound  the value of their results;  keeping you in their shadow. Of course, it wasn’t trivial, but it was something that a teenager could do in a small basement room after mere weeks of trial and error. Not more than 2 boxes of Matrix film before I was making prints.

To test my procedure I made, what today are called “targets,” — I made swatches of dye transfer dyes, photographing them, then printing. They matched! This was before color targets were a product. Kodak did have color guides, along with grey cards, which I probably used; now, I don’t any of those notes.

Anyone with access to a commercial photography store in the United States could buy Dye Transfer materials. That is no longer possible. That is the main reason “You Can’t Learn Dye Transfer.” Some people have had materials made — orthochromatic matrix emulsion is a small industrial chemistry effort for an emulsion company. It is, to some, a throw away technology. Even badly managed ‘pots’ will make good emulsion.

As new problems came to me from commercial clients, I gained new skills, but most of these skills repeated year after year. Variation of prior solutions.

They make it harder than it was, to make themselves better than they were. They proclaim a pride of process. Making it seem harder, made it less used. Kodak couldn’t be bothered by supporting it, neither did they want to sell the process, even under license.

Elsewhere I have written about how difficult it is for anyone to learn  dye transfer printing … The key difference between my learning of photography and what I see as the proponents of the dark room arts, dark room world, is the amount of encouragement provided by everyone that ever I ran into. The first 15 years that I was printing was nothing but supportive. That is no longer the case. It may never have been the case amongst the hobbyists. They maybe have always been more competitive than the businessman. The commercial printers competed for clients, and when the clients were limited we actually just shuffled them amongst each other.  Different clients gravitated towards different styles of business interaction, not necessarily the difference of the lab results.

Many labs made great work using the simplest of means. That is how I began. Energy, personal willingness to make mistakes without surrendering the drive to finish a print.

I held myself back more times than anyone else did. Initially, embarrassed that I wasn’t making dyes from slides, I declined work. There were enough referrals on color negatives. One time I went so far as having internegatives made from slides so that I could print them. At that point, it was time to make seps from transparencies. This was still my first year of printing.

There were times when I worked at three different labs in the same week. It would’ve been impossible for those labs to have had a secret from one another; I was the person carrying those secrets.

Reasons for the expansion of the skill claims needed for making a print seem to be based or are being made by people who are hobbyist or who had limited market success. They worked but they didn’t thrive. They were solo practitioners; they never had employees; they never had sufficient business success to hire employees. No matter what the reason for this limited success was, it was because of their personality. They just couldn’t do business. They didn’t want business, they didn’t like contacting people, they didn’t like interacting with people, or was it because people didn’t like the work that they produced?

Some two person labs did fine, making it into this century, lasting until their Kodak supplies were depleted.

Some people can write but they cannot teach and the very best written material that I’ve encountered was produced by people who have interacted with students; who have interacted with someone attempting to use the the written material.

Sometime I will write about OIC group.

Notes: The ColorChecker was introduced in a 1976 paper by McCamy, Marcus, and Davidson in the Journal of Applied Photographic Engineering. [

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