Drying Fiber Prints

baryta. Ferrotyping. Screen dryers. Air-box dryers. Heat- press. Pako drum dryer.

paper curls as it drys. Take it from very wet to very dry quickly enough and the gelatin (emulsion) shrinks more than the paper (base).

Use the slowest way of drying your print. Fiber darkroom paper will not air-dry flatter than when it comes out of the box in the darkroom. If you need to use strong easel pressure during exposure, that paper may have a defect.

Paper-makers dry paper in an air-box. In labs, during last century, we used large heated rotating drums. These had canvas belts which could become stained, hence, the need for the Anselites to dry on screens. Screen drying racks came from the silk-screen and fine-print maker studios of that time. Many darkroom makers hung prints from clothes lines, like they did with their film. Let it air-dry in a damp basement.

All things considered, it worked well enough. Recently, discussions arise over changes in methods of the years. Large drums are gone; screens remained. Crinkle edges abound. We no longer dry under pressure and controlled temparture. Kodak made drying rolls suitable for prints smaller than 11×14 — they work well. So does ironing the print after it drys down to “damp” — iron from the back on lowest heat setting.

Or, you can flatten the dried print in a heat-press. (such as used by silk-screen printers)

Videos:

paper maker drying box

Getting from the question to the respondents — why the need for experts brings out some of the worst.

This is the place WileyPhoto references. He had prints there, that he reclaimed. At various tellings, they were Cibas, or Fuji Crystal … depending upon the need to convince, the topic at hand.

His legend also has it that they were printed such way as to make use of “fading” /// They were also up for “decades” … yet, this retrofit was in 2009, so the prints went up after that. The frames were also made by Wiley, in his very own garage.

I have never sold a print, then reclaimed it. Perhaps a vanity showing is what Mr. WileyPHoto had. The work was on loan, never sold. People visiting the lawyer, think the work was bought. This makes it seem valuable, not mere decor on loan. The work is hardly remarkable, like most decor, it must accommodate, blend into the background. Most of the work in the lobby is BW; that in the offices is by some of the lawyers — their fishing trophies.

This serves as an example of expanded importance. A puffery. Some small thing used to build many big things.


Formulas: Print flattening and for Ferrotype polish

Glycerine USP60ml (or) 125 ml
Add Water to make1 Liter
at 60ml, soak print for at least 5 min.
at 125ml, dampen BACK of print, using sponge. This is the better method
Print Flattener – formula

Paraffin0.7 gr
Carbon Tet32 ml
Plate Polish: Paraffin base

Benzol (FLAMMABLE)125ml
Yellow Beeswax2.7 g
Plate Polish: Beeswax base

the instruction for making the Beeswax included the warning not to make or use around burning cigar or pipe.

These formulas are from the 40s — notes from Kodak, Haloid, and Defender, all makers of silver papers(AgX)

dpdone. Amzn moves on

so, when the sales desk closes, what do you lose? Or, when your only friend is an invisible salesman from the camera counter. \Scott Everett announces that dpreview.com to close; layoffs. Hardly lost information.

Amzn, like fuji, has learned that blood is green; healthcare is the field to harvest. Reviews have ended. Click-stops are no longer clickbait. The ad aggregation is less valuable. Isn’t that to be expected? After all, how many times do you need to express your opinion of a camera strap.

What is lost? Da net seems concerned. Maybe just another loss of their common meaning. Limited purpose is limited value.

details of the how. so the big questions were such things as “best focal lenght”

something along the lines of hem length.. does this make her butt look big enough’

Gear Sheds close. The need for opinion has diffused. We know you’re a link spot, not feeding but selling. Not feeding us, but eating off us. The information lost is gossip from a sales counter. Information lost that wasn’t worth keeping … who mourns that? Perhaps those who wish they’d have written it .. they miss the opportunity.. they miss another chance to jabber about the end of photography; their view of it.

The Weekend is over. The gossip rag wasn’t worth re-reading anyway. the checkout counter telling you what to check out. Maybe of use for the naive, but was it worth keeping. That isn’t a history. They are old bingo cards as in the days of specialty magazines and trade-show door stops. The end of DPReview signals little. It doesn’t mean the end of a field, just the changes in the field. No more need for a brag piece that puffs the same corn about what matters. A consumer report that is hardly consuming, let alone informing, or interesting.

TOP defends. MJ claims mature artist status.

Mature means influence. Adding to, or making clear via your work. at some point in aging, you may mature, becoming more sophisticated in making art. in short you may give yourself permission to use tools to your advantage. never trap yourself in the goddamn basement.

Just one question. Missed. And done. Not a very deep thinker, even back then. Most salesmen are expected for stories, not for ideas. So, a wordsmith becomes a craft-shill. On top of the hill of dropouts.

For the weekend worriers — did they buy the right thing. It has rankled those in that business. Those people who have spent their life, month to month thinking they were adding to the grand scheme; in the end, at their end, realizing that what they dis was add to land-fill filling time, other peoples time.

They wrot without becoming writes. They wrote about photography without becoming photogaphers.

Words Words Words

approximate meaning. finding the way. crossing the divide. making a bridge

Two worlds. Two cultures. Everything changes. Everything stays the same.

Finding meaning and having the means to reveal that, to yourself and maybe others. Both the problem and the driver.

at first an observation. What prompts that. Is it a small nit, or does it take a large shaking abruption. Usually crossing currents provoke the most. Change in flows provide great energy, most is wasted, passes on without utility.

So this provoke began when a technician of graphs asks how else to describe what matters about an emulsion. Actually, he wants to complain about a description of a developer. XY people don’t grok PR people.

amateurs need guides; they await the ice-cream truck.

Such as: Fred Picker. https://bwbarlow.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/the-fred-picker-legacy.pdf

These are secondary sources; people I didn’t know, nor did I read until this century. I read them now only because I’m studying the failures of the forums. The staggering load carried by weekend workers. Members of bands that none will remember. These sales force folks sell sweets.

they tell you what you tell yourself: it’s the stuff that makes me better. at least, it’s the stuff i can talk about. like gossip by the fish fryer out at manlake lodge.

no girls says the sign . no words say the words

whether they’d like it based upon your likes…all things taste like chicken to a person of consensus taste

like a spoon in the knife drawer the amateur photographer is, of course, something else by weekday; like cross-dressers, their week sees them one way, their weekend another.

But, then again, my path crossed just now because I was looking for CVI materials. They were found in an archived Picker Newsletter.

Fine Art Photo Supply: FA-1027 is what snapped the string on this topic.

Anthony Giudice sold Fine Art Photo Supply to Photographer’s Formulary for personal reasons.

Fine Art Photo Supply is a new company in Rochester, NY. Much like the old Zone VI Studios, we are a company marketing photographic merchandise and we are photographers ourselves. I have been involved in photography since 1972 (just after I quit my high school basketball team!); and my wife Vicki, who handles the administrative end of the business, has done lots of color commercial photography: 2 books, and over a dozen magazine articles (including 4 covers).

And like most first time, low factor salesmen and entry managers, they move to the extreme. Selling too hard or too soft. They will pass just as all weekenders.

Description is always based upon something else. There is no qualitative, boundless, fully functioning explanation. Not in physics, not in math, certainly not in any developing growing human pursuit including photography, a very self absorbed drawing system.

The color of the silver developed image… what does it mean? We had more options in 1950, but we also had a much more limited vocabulary. Warm. Cold. Developer and paper names didn’t have any basis other than commercial convenience.

How about charts. They always look good. Like something from a math course blackboard.

We call them “characteristic curves” which has to make them readily useable., as well as being beyond just words. Right?

At last. A Table of values. We can put this to use, can’t we?

Yep. If we are using those developers and we have a good working time at 68F, then these provided percent changes to that time should produce the same resulting negative.

This if from 1950. Probably not as useful this year, even with those developers since you won’t be using the lovely films made back then. You can use Ansco 17, particularly if you are doing separations.

of course, just having the words well defined and in a table won’t make them useable, nor used.

this is for an inkjet pigment printer. Note that it does use a pigment — and it seems to get through those tiny jets just fine… this is from a decade ago technology. The dumbwaiters from the forums still think that size defines a colorant.

Purdy pictures certainly seem persuasive. Reading them does require more… picture language is always more demanding.

The colored area is an ICC profile of Dye Transfer colorspace. It is overlaid atop, so you can see how it is contained within, an inkjet pigment printer profile from 2013. A decade ago inkjet printers had wider color range than dye transfer.

Plus, that same inkjet printer calculates out at over 100 years life expectancy before visual difference in color.

Use words that you find useful. Simple enough. The finding is much less certain. Words in all its form make distinctions clear to those experienced in using them. Gaining your own experience; making your own dictionary is just a first necessary step, and the biggest difference between those who ride the hobby horse and those who ride a work horse.


Love is just a word until someone comes along and gives it meaning.


Paulo Coelho
pictures catch the eye; words the mind
words tell; pictures convince

sidebar: ORTHO LITHO. confused online photo sites, like love and online dating. Ortho means the response of the emulsion; litho is jargon for the original use of lithography — a high contrast, usually thin film. Ilford makes Ortho+ sheet film. Arista sells a lith film which seems refactored from the silk-screen industry. This latter, ortho-lith film is frequently what is being referenced by the onliners. Kodak’s Kodalith was the premier version of this film. It also came in types, one was panchromatic, so there used to be Pan-Litho film. So it was.