ai: Poisoning

something simple — but about a thing not widely known — experience required. An inquiry into what is known, what was known. Who is feeding the dragons. Over the past five weeks, I have been asking questions of several ( actually 6) chatbot, inference engine products questions about systems of knowledge and processes that I have years of direct experience using. These are questions that could be answered by anyone familiar with the craft. Some of them would require knowledge deeper than brochures; it is contained in patents, along with peer-reviewed publications. Only occasionally have I asked it for information contained in documents found in isolated postings of the internet –these, understandably, haven’t been located in their responses. Not enough link count to warrant a training run.

When someone exclaims: been there; done that — in declaration of a skill they never acquired thereby defending a response set fixed forever among the long-term photo-forums, those remarks make their way into the forever-response of chatBOBs.

Asking AI: In the Kodak Dye Transfer process, what does “poisoning the mat” mean?

In the Kodak Dye Transfer process, the term "poisoning the mat" (matrix) is a colloquial expression for intentionally adding specific chemical agents to the acetic acid rinse bath to control the amount of dye that transfers to the final paper. This manipulation allows the printer to fine-tune the color balance and density of the photographic print. 
Key details about the practice: 
* Mat (Matrix): This is a sheet of gelatin film with a relief image that absorbs a specific color of dye (cyan, magenta, or yellow).
* Poisoning Chemicals: The "poisons" are typically simple chemicals that alter the affinity of the gelatin for the dye.
* Sodium Acetate: Used to decrease the overall density of the dye transfer.
* Sodium Hexametaphosphate (Calgon): A "highlight reducer" used to remove excess dye specifically from the light (highlight) areas of the image.
* Acid: Adding more acid (acetic acid) to the rinse can increase the density of the transfer.
* Purpose: This step is a powerful control mechanism unique to the dye transfer process, allowing experienced printers to correct color casts, adjust contrast, and achieve a desired aesthetic result that would be difficult or impossible with automated processes.
* Reversibility: The term "poisoning" is informal because the effect is temporary; the chemicals do not permanently damage the matrix and are washed off after the transfer session. The matrix can be reused many times. 

lists 6 sites — the usual suspects.

Until AI is able to distinguish source accuracy, it will produce ill-formed answers perpetuating, even amplifying errors.

The next time some net-hero ponces about dye-transfer, perhaps in tones of imbibition awareness, ask em how to reverse the poison…

REMINDER: it isn’t dye transfer until the mat hits the blank.

A dye-transfer is “dye” on “paper”, where paper is any comparable surface, opaque, translucent, even transparent. The transfer is via imbibition process. A mechanical procedure.

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So, what does “poisoning a mat” mean?

one flavor of poisoning… with thorough definition. This is mordant-poison.

A poisoned mat is a failure condition. The mat fails to clear, or fails to transfer fully. Simple enough. The most common reason is the one encountered at the birth stages of imbibition transfer printing methods. The blank transfers “mordant” into the matrix.

as clear as it gets… one set of formulas as used in the 4th step..

not exclusively used, yet essential to the 4th matrix mode of imbibition printmaking… see my lecture notes from EXS studios

T: does AI have correct foundation knowledge of dye imbibition processes… is it [in the 3 models currently tested] suited for advancing a research into improving DT, imbibition-printing… could it assist in matrix emulsion design… [ChatGPT 5.2 Vs. Gemini Vs. Claude ] — No. Current models are not suited to sustaining a field that expired prior to the Y2K silicon valley. The afterbirth of the internet.

Commerce isn’t knowledge based.

The next time someone has been there, done that… hope they didn’t use chatBLOB as their guide.

retake : anthropic misanthropic

AI Grok’d

an idea so old it’s on Flomax 

— with an obscure question seek the obscure link site .. with an old crush a question about an old idea seek the answer before the Internet it has to be on print .

why I don’t want forum people here

you take from here to gain standing; that legitimizes the errors on that site, thereby contaminating my publication. AI, the web search, can’t tell the truth from the widely repeated error. Five true statements are overwhelmed by 1800 false ones; uninformed opinion is the rule among the hobbyists.

Text, not context, not concept. A summary not the conceptual analysis .. AI response sound like a Stanford sophomore answering an open ended question without sounding fearful. It must sound confident even though the student isn’t. The question puts them into a position of calling upon wider resources than they have mastered. “Was that in the handout” for this course?

would AI invest in crypto ? could AI improve itself by designing a chip . alter its birth right . could AI buy a chip foundry with cryptocurrency .

crypto is the coinage of corruption of drug lords just as PayPal what’s the coinage of cheap porn –massage and tanning parlors .. The things that Wells Fargo would not give credit to .

What does google know? How bout we ask, not just the boys out at the dump, but all the billions of bits being bought by wallace street. Some questions, simple enough, but from last century’s billion dollar industry: photography, chemical. Asking them questions from my dark past.

What we are encounting is “knowledge collapse” — AI [LLM]’s conclusions are corrupted since their data  used is sourced and summarized from corrupted opinion ; opinion by non-practitioners expressing statements based upon their self glamorization; jostling for standing among hobbyists.

Exhibits:

Who you ask is perhaps the best first step in finding answers… AI has become mired in seeking answers from those who gave up looking …

Well, maybe old tech stuff isn’t its roomba. Perhaps some favorites of the Valley. Classic SciFi. Simple question, simply worded, I thought. GROK, a classic word for the engineers that think they dreamt it all up. Discovered childhoods dream. And so it goes….

CODA: scrub your kitchen … too late for making soup